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everyone and happy New Year thank you

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guys for sticking around

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um I do want to just tell you guys that

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I am recovering from covets if you see

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me coughing just don't be alarmed

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um tonight we have a great show for you

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we have researcher author and

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experiencer Max Hawthorne and we're

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going to be discussing the Megalodon so

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IMAX hi hi Max welcome thank you so much

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for being here

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it's my pleasure and by the way I

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actually have covet also so we're we're

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on the same page

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oh dear okay great

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and then it just

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yeah this is this is my first bout of it

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so I'm like the doctor said you're gonna

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be slow to recover from it and I'm like

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right so but I appreciate you being here

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thank you so much I didn't know you had

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covet too oh it's all right you know we

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do what we can you know

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I didn't want to leave you high and dry

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so

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really my daughters if

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you're hearing it later I

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I'm a big mug person

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I like it

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so watch out what about yourself for

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those who don't know you I'm sorry say

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oh so why don't you tell everyone a

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little bit about yourself for those who

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um sure

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gosh I should pull up my bio and read

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that whole boring thing let's see that

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should be interesting actually why don't

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I do that

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this way the key it's better than me

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just like you know rambling on and on

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and on and stuff although it's kind of

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Max Hawthorne is an American author and

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screenwriter referred to as the prince

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of paleo fiction he is best known for

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his Cronus Rising series of sci-fi

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suspense throwers which have garnered

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both book of the year and People's

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Choice Awards he is the Amazon number

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one best-selling author of The Cryptid

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research book monsters and Marine

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Mysteries as well as Memoirs of a gym

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rat an outrageous expose of the hell

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Club Ministry it's really gross that

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stuff and the children's book I wanted

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Tyrannosaurus for Christmas his song a

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tyrannosaurus for Christmas peaked at

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number two on the 2021 World Indie

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charts he has been interviewed by both

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the Washington Post and fangoria

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magazine has appeared on QVC spaced out

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radio Coast to Coast AM and in a tribe

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called quests rap video I left my wallet

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in El Segundo I was the cop

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and it goes on and on about a lot of

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other stuff where you're born yada yada

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yada lives in the greater northeast with

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his wife daughter and a pair of enormous

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Siberian Forest cats one of whom you met

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who when they're not stalking Max's toes

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sleep on his desk as he writes

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that's about it

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well I figure that it's easier for the

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guests to like explain themselves better

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than I could so I can't remember all

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that stuff

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yeah if I read the rest of it I would

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have gotten tired just reading it it's

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like you know do you actually do all

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this stuff my God how do you have time

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to live you know so

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anyway right well thank you so what

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would you what would you like to though

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I appreciate it what would you like to

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talk about would you like to talk about

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your Bigfoot experience first or do you

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just want to dive into Megalodon

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uh let's do the Bigfoot thing first and

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get that out of the way actually I

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actually managed to dig out some stuff

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to go along with it to you know spice it

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up a little and all that keep in mind I

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mean all this is in Monsters and three

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mysteries in a lot more detail that I'm

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going to remember here but um

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so basically uh

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when this happened I was not even really

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aware of the existence of Bigfoot okay

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this is almost 30 years ago and uh back

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then my family we had a uh a house on

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Candlewood Lake up in Connecticut in

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Danbury

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so attached Canada lake is a very large

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um It's like got 50 miles of Coastline

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so you can imagine that's fairly sizable

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connected to it and technically part of

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Candlewood is a slate called Swan's Pond

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which is I guess a couple miles long or

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something like that you know maybe 60

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feet deep in places and squons is kind

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of like State Park okay

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so it's connected to the Apparently and

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they have built a Causeway piled up

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rocks and stuff between the two so that

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cars could drive over okay and this

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Causeway so it has it's either a one or

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two lane road I don't remember to be

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honest it's been so long but um it has a

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so that the waters could flow back and

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forth there's like a steel reinforced

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concrete like I don't know duct that

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goes under the road maybe it's six feet

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wide or something like that so water and

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forth does that make sense

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cool so um with all the rocks and gravel

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piled up around there and stuff and we

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figured my brother's license we like to

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fish we figured that there'd be a lot of

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crayfish there so we came up with this

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genius plan I think it was summertime I

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could not tell you the day or anything

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like that obviously it's so long ago but

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uh and we got up when it was still pitch

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black out and we drove to the lake we

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had like live shiners that we picked up

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the night before and uh you know fishing

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with Bobbers with shiners under them if

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you know what that is

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um so we are kind of yeah right well we

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figured there'd be crayfish all around

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those rocks and stuff we didn't know for

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sure but it made sense we figured

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there'd be a lot of bass lurking around

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the shallows especially krakadawn so

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we'd be putting minnows in front of

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their faces and we would clean up you

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know catch a lot of fish from sure

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um unfortunately for us we didn't check

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the weather it had rained its butt off

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all the night before and when we got

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there and the sun was just coming up the

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water even though it was flat calm it

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was the color of coffee

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you know like dark dark and that's bad

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news like for bait fishing because if

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the bass doesn't like run smack into the

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bait he's not gonna find it like lure

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fishermen know in those conditions you

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use like a bright chartreuse with a lot

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of vibration to try and get a strike Etc

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but we were an experience so we sat

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there for I don't know how long half an

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hour or something like that an hour we

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had our rods out we were getting nothing

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so my this was on the swan side mind you

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okay and so my brothers decided you know

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we're gonna go cross over and try the

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Candlewood side which means you go up

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the hill across that road down the other

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side in a straight line from where we

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were sitting that might have been like

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50 feet but you know it's a little

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different when you go up cross Etc and

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of course you got to be careful so I was

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like go ahead go go I'll stay here and I

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think you know sibling rivalries I'll be

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by myself when the fish turn on you know

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I'm Gonna Catch like a lot more or

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whatever I'll get the bigger fish you

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know whatever yeah so I'm sitting on

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like a bucket you know flipped over a

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bucket and uh you know nothing's going

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on the lake there's nobody awake there's

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nothing out there tiny bit of mist

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floating around and stuff like that

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sun's coming up and all and then I start

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seeing this thing out in the water and

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distance I mean I have to go back there

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to really gauge it it might have been

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100 or 200 feet away initially

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but it was just like dark object it was

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on the surface and it was moving around

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and then it disappeared and then it came

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back up again

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a little bit closer and it disappeared

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and it would disappear for like a minute

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or two at a time

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so I'm staring at this thing and I'm

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like At first I thought oh there's a big

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fish but then I realized it wasn't a

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fish you know I've noticed that it was

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like a

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kind of dome-shaped and hairy you know

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like it looked like it was like a like a

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beaver like it was a reddish brown color

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okay so I thought oh it's a muskrat yeah

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and then it got a tiny bit closer and

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I'm like no that's too big to be a

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muskrat I'm like that must be a beaver

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you know like a beaver's butt or back

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you know sticking up like that or

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something like that and I'm like uh it's

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not a no it's not a beaver not I don't

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even know if there are beavers around

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there but anyway and uh so I continue to

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watch and I kept doing the same thing it

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would go underwater

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Superior for a minute or two and then

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pop back up maybe five or ten feet

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closer I don't know I have no idea what

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it was doing okay and then I started

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seeing other parts of it though it's got

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a little bit closer like there seemed to

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be like a body behind this what I

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realized was the head and then like

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limbs or something like that and so I'm

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like is that a deer and I'm like no

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because you know the deer have that

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classic you know fake Loch Ness monster

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profile the body's floating the head and

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necks pick up that type of stuff and I

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saw the head at the top of it it was

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like a dome

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um so that didn't make sense and then I

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thought is this like a big Irish Setter

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you know because it was kind of that

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color but that didn't work either

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because it wasn't a dog and it kept

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diving you know which was really weird

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and so it's gradually getting closer and

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closer and I'm like what am I looking at

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here you know I forgot all about the

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fishing at this point so I stood up and

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I'm looking I'm trying to peek over and

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see and I can see now that that don't

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think is definitely ahead and there's

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like you know Parts behind it and then

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there's what look like legs and I could

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see the legs move as it would submerge

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and they were together though they

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didn't do a flutter kick like a person

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they moved together like you know like

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when girls wear those mermaid tails this

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type of stuff or they have like swimming

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fins that are one piece whales flukes

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they move together like that as they

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went under it

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so I'm like I have no idea what I'm

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looking at okay but it's gradually

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getting closer and closer and I'm

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thinking gosh I wonder if I should try

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and like cast out and see if I could

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snag this thing you know which would

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have been as it turned out a very very

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bad idea okay

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you know we're talking at least 100 feet

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still maybe 150 feet I thought it was

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maybe five feet long okay on a guess you

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know so a girl started getting a little

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closer a little closer and it was uh

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moving more towards the center I guess

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towards where that big pipe was which

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was right kind of next to me it might

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have been like I don't know where I'm

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sitting on the Rocks maybe you know 20

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feet 30 feet to the you know that I

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don't call it like trough of water going

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through and that might have been like

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eight feet across or ten feet across at

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certain points but um

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so I decided I'm going to stand up and

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I'm going to and it was getting more

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bright out by the way

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this was important because I saw this

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really clearly and um so I figured let

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me get up and I'm going to start backing

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up the hill and I'll get higher up so I

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can see down on this thing better you

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know like a vantage point like that and

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see through the water a little better

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instead of coming at it like this and

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that was my plan so as I started to do

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that you know it's treacherous footing

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there and I dislodged a bunch of the

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rocks and gravel whatever and made some

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noise and I think this thing had never

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realized that I was there the whole time

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say I think it was eating crayfish it

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was diving down it was catching crayfish

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coming up to eat them whatever breathing

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going back down this type of stuff you

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know like potato chips type thing you

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know you gotta have whatever I wasn't

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sure about this until I I'll explain

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more but when I went on a show and I got

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proof of this but um

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so when the rocks move the thing knew I

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was there and it was alarmed and it like

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rolled like this and Dove and went under

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the water and as it did I saw its arm

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like it's its shoulder and its upper arm

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and its forearm like this cut across

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like that okay all the visibles went

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underwater and it had an arm like a very

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muscular person it was definitely

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anthropoid okay but covered with thick

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reddish brown obviously drenched hair

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you know but very muscular and I'm like

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what the heck is that you know and it

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went underwater crashed like that and I

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thought it was a huge orangutan or

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something like that at this point which

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is of course crazy because who has an

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orangutan wandering around Connecticut

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you know made no sense so the thing is

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swimming but you never know

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but I like I said I still had no idea

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about Bigfoot at this point okay all I

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know is I just saw like a huge like a

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big ape like thing like it's shoulder

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arm all this stuff it was very muscular

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I got to give it credit he must have

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been pumping up a lot but uh so it swims

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through the channel right next to me and

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I had rushed over there to look and that

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was a little bit scary because from a

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distance it looked small but when it

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went through the channel the shadowy

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formed that I saw under there was quite

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big and the water remember the water in

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the channel went like this like like up

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like that like something very large and

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passed through at high speed and it kind

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of scared me a little bit to be honest

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because I'm like whoa what is that yeah

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and so so I ran up the hill almost got

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hit by a car

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crossed over

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grab my brothers I'm like look there's a

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I was calling it The hairy red thing

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okay and I said there's this big hairy

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red thing I said it's swimming through

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the pipe it's going to come through

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right now right now just watch watch

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of course this thing was quick and by

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the time I got up there and oh my car it

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had already gone through

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you know so by the time I got down on

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the other side it was sort of going

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we're standing there and the seconds are

364
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taken by and they're like you're full of

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it you're an idiot you know the usual

366
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sibling insults whatever

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so then yeah as I was being berated

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there was this like crashing sound in

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the water off to our left and there are

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these lily pads along the edges of the

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you know the edge of the lake there like

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you know I don't know how far I stuck

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out like five or eight feet or something

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like that and it was something under the

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lily pads that was thrashing around and

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then moving along and then thrashing

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around and moving along Etc so I think

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this thing went under the lily pads for

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cover and was using them to work its way

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around until around the point and then

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it disappeared so I didn't think much of

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it honestly up until I started doing

383
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research for Monsters and Marine

384
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Mysteries and then I realized holy crap

385
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you know I'm like this is this thing

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must have been a Bigfoot

387
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so I started looking researching and I

388
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found an old newspaper article from like

389
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a hundred years ago or something like

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that from the lake and it said like um

391
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fishermen report hairy wild child

392
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swimming in Lake that's what they called

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it and I spoke to some researchers and

394
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they said back then that's what they

395
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used to call them you know because then

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they're the term Sasquatch or Bigfoot

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was Bigfoot wasn't even coin yet that

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happened like whatever Pattinson's film

399
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and all that stuff so yeah that's you

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know I found evidence of that and then

401
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the interesting thing for me was is that

402
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let me just pull this up is that I was

403
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on this uh

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other show like a little over a year ago

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and this guy he is a celebrity deaf

406
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whose name will not be mentioned but he

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was listening to the show I was on I was

408
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talking about this stuff and he said yo

409
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I just listened to today's episode about

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Candlewood Lake OMG I know the place

411
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well we used to Camp there back in the

412
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late 70s and early 80s I have fished the

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same Causeway that Max described I know

414
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the tunnel well and yes we gathered

415
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crayfish there to roast on our campfires

416
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anyway we were camping there one night

417
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and heard rustling around our tents and

418
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kind of brushed it off as deer but the

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next day we went fishing and when we

420
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came back to Camp our tents were

421
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destroyed and everything was thrown

422
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everywhere we just thought it was some

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crazy hippies and never thought twice

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about it

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a few weeks later my buddies wanted to

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go back there to camp for the weekend

427
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excuse me and I told them that I didn't

428
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want to go because all my stuff got

429
00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:45,540
destroyed last time we were there

430
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they went without me and when they

431
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returned I kind of poked fun at them and

432
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asked that the crazy hippies came back

433
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and trashed their Camp again they said

434
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no but they said when they went out in

435
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the morning I gotta get the rest of this

436
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to go fishing in their canoe they said

437
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that they were about 30 or 40 feet

438
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offshore now this would be the wood side

439
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of squons pond just as we understand

440
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that and Swan's Pond like the woods

441
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there if you ever go hiking there is

442
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incredibly rough I mean like I've been

443
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up there there are Boulders the size of

444
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houses they're huge inclines treacherous

445
00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:24,780
footing so thick I mean it's like jungle

446
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you know you could not like you know if

447
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you ran through there carelessly you'd

448
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break a leg knee your neck whatever I'm

449
00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:32,820
just telling you so anyway

450
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um so yeah so you have to be very agile

451
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to get through there basically right I

452
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mean like I'm careful I mean very

453
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careful yeah I mean if I shoot your

454
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photos you'd be like wow because it's

455
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like the side of a mountain yeah okay so

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they said they were 30 or 40 feet I'm

457
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sure they heard crazy thrashing in the

458
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woods and a buck Came Crashing through

459
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the woods and jumped into the water in

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front of them like he was running from

461
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something

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and he swam by them like he was crazy

463
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with fear then they heard something in

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the woods where he came from running

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after him meaning after the deer but it

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stopped just before the clearing now I'm

467
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just going to interject like I said you

468
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you ain't running through these Woods

469
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okay and no Runner is going to be able

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to Chase and catch a deer okay you're a

471
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design of this but anyway

472
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um so uh then they heard something in

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the woods where he came from running

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after him but it stopped just before the

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clearing they figured it was a hunter or

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something like that but didn't see

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anything

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and they said that whoever it was for

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the next half hour or so with a rock or

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a stick at them every couple of minutes

481
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or so they just thought it was the

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hunter pissed off that they were there

483
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they called out to him and said that

484
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they were in a canoeing to stop throwing

485
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things at them they never got a response

486
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and everything just stopped and they

487
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went on their way without incidents

488
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incident that was the last time any of

489
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us went there to Camp because hold on

490
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we thought that the place was just

491
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cursed with craziness but after I

492
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listened to Max's story it just makes

493
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sense that maybe they encounter what Max

494
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saw holy cow after all these years I

495
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never even thought that it could have

496
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been a squash love your show

497
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so the point is that somebody else who

498
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had been in that exact area I mean

499
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everybody knows that a Bigfoot is a

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primate and primates and they have a

501
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reputation for throwing stolen people

502
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you know hiding growing pine cones

503
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throwing Boulders you know all different

504
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stuff so it makes sense and since this

505
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is like state land basically I would

506
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imagine that these things like I thought

507
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it you know it was a young one and maybe

508
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he was like sneaking out you know with a

509
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:36,240
crayfish addiction and the crack of dawn

510
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taking advantage of that type of stuff

511
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but I know what I saw let me tell you it

512
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freaked me out I mean yeah when you see

513
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a big hairy muscular arm like that I

514
00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,660
mean like humanoid you know like and you

515
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if you just spent like 10 minutes trying

516
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to figure out what you're looking at and

517
00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:54,720
now you totally don't know I I just

518
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really I thought somebody had a better

519
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orangutan that learned to swim and like

520
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to swim and dive or crayfish you know

521
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but

522
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it was a lot bigger than I thought when

523
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it passed it wasn't that

524
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yeah did it

525
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:12,960
did hurt that some bigfoots they do the

526
00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:15,660
I wasn't that cool smell anything no and

527
00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:17,340
it was when it passed me it was

528
00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:20,940
underwater so but uh you know yeah so

529
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,160
nothing was like coming up okay

530
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,919
no it's funny too because that's amazing

531
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over the years that I've been in that

532
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,580
area you know sometimes we've seen like

533
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:31,679
helicopters like searching over the

534
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:33,960
woods and stuff like that you know and

535
00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:35,340
my dad was like oh probably some

536
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:37,140
criminal or escape from the prison or

537
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:40,500
something I have no idea but anyway but

538
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:43,559
yeah that's uh you know very common they

539
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,000
can apparently they can apparently swim

540
00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:47,340
and if and it's ever true when they

541
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:49,020
exist when people see they swim with

542
00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:50,460
their legs together they're gonna be

543
00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:53,820
like hey Max was right look at that yeah

544
00:21:01,970 --> 00:21:00,650
seeing that like I I don't think I could

545
00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:01,980
handle that

546
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:03,780
I wouldn't want to seen it on dry land

547
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:04,919
and to be honest it does sound

548
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,059
terrifying

549
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,400
I mean can you imagine if I cast a lure

550
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:09,840
out there like with treble hooks and

551
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,130
I mean I'm sure I would have gotten bad

552
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:17,700
or it or it would have like realized

553
00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:19,320
what what was the problem and said oh

554
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,700
let me come over here and have a

555
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:22,679
conversation with you you know and I

556
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,890
yeah exactly yeah I

557
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:36,720
lucky you didn't do that

558
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,640
no no

559
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:39,600
I do

560
00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:42,780
there oh the reason you're here is we're

561
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,940
going to talk about another

562
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:47,220
aquatic Cryptid

563
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:49,140
Megalodon

564
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:53,640
so yes what got you into the subject

565
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:00,770
sharks Megalodon

566
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,039
um well let's see I've been fishing

567
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:04,740
since I was like four or five years old

568
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:08,400
I I got an igfa world record to my under

569
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,960
my belt could have had more but I

570
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,460
refused to kill the sharks that we got

571
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:14,400
but um I mean I write about Marine

572
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:17,100
Cryptids I fish for them

573
00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:19,140
you know or why fish let's put it that

574
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:20,520
way some of the things I've caught I

575
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,780
mean if you've seen some of the fish I

576
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:24,000
caught you'd be astonished I've got fish

577
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:27,179
big enough to eat people no joke but um

578
00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:28,980
you know that's it is what it is but

579
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,659
yeah I mean initially like my first

580
00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,820
novel Cronus Rising

581
00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:34,740
um it didn't have a Megalodon in it it

582
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:37,559
had uh that thing right there actually

583
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,000
that one's fighting a Megalodon right

584
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,280
there but these giant previous house

585
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,960
called plyosaurs that were kind of like

586
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:45,360
the uh sperm whales of their day I guess

587
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:48,120
you'd say or something and as you start

588
00:22:51,649 --> 00:22:49,860
doing research you know you learn more

589
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:51,659
and more and more about it I mean I

590
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,860
actually ended up delving into

591
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,679
paleontology as a hobby solving the

592
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,419
mystery of how mystery of how pleaseies

593
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,520
were swam solving the mystery of why

594
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,919
pleasey Source had such long necks lots

595
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,840
of other stuff so you just kind of

596
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,520
accrue all this knowledge after a while

597
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,720
and the more you do and the more

598
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:08,400
research you do the more things you

599
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:10,200
discover you know I've discovered some

600
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:11,700
things about Megalodon that's that's

601
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:13,620
some of the Fanboys out there probably

602
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,440
don't like you know they've protested a

603
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:18,659
lot there's website out there dedicated

604
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:21,179
to trying to discredit my Megalodon

605
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:23,100
Theory one of them

606
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,270
see that's

607
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:30,480
the thing

608
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,780
well you see everybody likes to portray

609
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:36,480
carcharodon or careacles or ototus

610
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:39,059
Megalodon as this giant super Predator

611
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,159
but the truth of the matter is is that

612
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,380
this shark split off from another shark

613
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,320
called ototus chubutensis you know for

614
00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:48,480
many millions of years ago the two swam

615
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:51,080
the Seven Seas together at the same time

616
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,900
Megalodon got bigger than chubby tenses

617
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,679
chubby tends to top that around 40 feet

618
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,240
Megalodon was probably able to hit the

619
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,400
mid 50s or maybe even close to 60 feet

620
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:04,559
of length but there's reasons for that

621
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:06,179
these animals the reason they branched

622
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:08,220
off is their teeth are diff are very

623
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:09,179
different

624
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,919
ototus I mean a chubby tenses tooth are

625
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,600
like like a giant great white sharks

626
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:15,600
they're triangular the crowns are thin

627
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:17,940
from the side like a white sharks Etc

628
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:20,460
more of a predator Megalodon's teeth

629
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,100
evolve differently and I've got some

630
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:25,260
stuff for you actually you know since

631
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,460
you wanted to talk about all the stuff

632
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:30,000
so this is a now this is not a fresh

633
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,380
megalon2 so don't get excited because

634
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:34,440
this is a cast of a six inch on tooth

635
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:37,500
okay I have several Fox size white ones

636
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,900
in my collection actually but right now

637
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:41,520
for display purposes I'm not going to

638
00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:44,940
dig those out so this okay

639
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:46,460
probably

640
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,419
a you are one or two upper right side

641
00:24:58,029 --> 00:24:54,480
tooth okay this would be the actual

642
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:58,039
front side here okay the uh

643
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:00,900
labial side and the lingual side is on

644
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:03,419
the back so the display side the curved

645
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,220
part this is really the inside of the

646
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,380
mouth okay so what's interesting about

647
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:09,419
this tooth crown is if you look at it it

648
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:10,980
has interesting shape besides the fact

649
00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:13,020
it's very thick from the side and

650
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:15,659
slightly curved okay is that the crown

651
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:18,900
is not a triangle like a white sharks do

652
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,780
you notice how it has this column like

653
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,220
Center here

654
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:25,799
and then these cusps flare out

655
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,720
so when I as I was studying more and

656
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:29,520
more with these teams and trying to

657
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,659
figure out there's no other shark that

658
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,220
has teeth like this why are they like

659
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,799
this okay is I started realizing these

660
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,179
teeth were designed to function like

661
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,659
bone chisels say meaning that when the

662
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,580
shark was feeding on a whale

663
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,080
it would be trying to bite through the

664
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,720
rib cage now whales have very thick ribs

665
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,700
I mean like I've got fossil ribs here

666
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,960
I'm going to show you in a minute and

667
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,460
these ribs are very hard and they're

668
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,039
made of bow and these teeth are embedded

669
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:55,320
in Jaws made of cartilage so they can

670
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:58,740
easily be broken off or break Etc so you

671
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,840
don't just come at a whale smashing the

672
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,700
bite and then lose a third of the teeth

673
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,500
in your jaw that's kind of

674
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,520
counterproductive even though they're

675
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:07,380
going to be replaced it doesn't like

676
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:09,059
make sense so the what happened with

677
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:10,919
these teeth is they were designed to

678
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,900
function like um you know what a log

679
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,179
splitter is

680
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:18,120
yeah okay so you take a log splitter and

681
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:19,200
it's sort of shaped like this and it has

682
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:21,179
serrations and you hammer it into a log

683
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:22,919
and the logs puts apart you know for

684
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:25,380
firewood that type of stuff okay so what

685
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,380
these people do it you would have whale

686
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,360
ribs like here here and here and you'd

687
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:32,279
have teeth here here and here and so

688
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,020
these teeth would come in and they would

689
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,600
go between two of the ribs like this and

690
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:38,100
then once they got to a certain point

691
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,720
like you're seeing it touching my

692
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,580
fingers there actually let's get a whale

693
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:43,620
rib over here actually to show you yeah

694
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,980
okay there's a chunk of one okay then as

695
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:49,200
it got to a certain point those cusps

696
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,460
would dig in to the ribs on either side

697
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:56,100
and it would crack crack and it popped

698
00:26:59,950 --> 00:26:57,480
them apart because you'd have two two

699
00:27:04,190 --> 00:26:59,960
rib rib rip understand so pushing

700
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:04,200
slicing serrations Etc and you can see

701
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,400
this right here

702
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:07,140
we got physical proof and I have

703
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:09,000
numerous fossils like this I don't know

704
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,500
if this is going to show too well or not

705
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,080
but you look at this rib here okay

706
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:14,820
you're going to see

707
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,640
multiple gouges on it you see that one

708
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,440
there and that one there now these are

709
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:21,539
feeding marks two scores a Megalodon

710
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,659
shark who does yeah I take this right

711
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,400
here

712
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:29,340
I line this up you'll see it fits

713
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,760
perfectly in that Groove okay

714
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,320
yes

715
00:27:39,010 --> 00:27:36,840
so there's multiple grooves though see

716
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:39,020
yeah and the first one

717
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,900
for the second one if you look down here

718
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:45,000
I'm going to show you right I gotta get

719
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,600
this in the right spot here okay I'm

720
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:51,000
upside down okay right where my finger

721
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:52,740
is here this one right here

722
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:55,020
you see how that Groove ends in a big

723
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,419
huge gap of broken bone right there

724
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,940
that's a fracture point so it's a two

725
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,620
makes a circle and squeeze on the other

726
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,380
side this rib pow exploded basically

727
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:06,900
correct fraction report and this tooth

728
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:09,480
fits perfectly into those groups okay so

729
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,159
we have proof positive that this is how

730
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:13,200
they were breaking rib cages with their

731
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:15,059
specially designed teeth and this is

732
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:16,980
only in the upper jaw that these Teeth

733
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,740
did this so when sharks feed especially

734
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,720
white sharks and other sharks like that

735
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:23,700
lemon sharks they do a fork and knife

736
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,799
routine the lower teeth which are

737
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,740
thinner stab into the body to pin it and

738
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,419
then the upper teeth the lips peel back

739
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,820
and then this comes down and it gouges

740
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:35,340
in so this would come up to a whale and

741
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:37,380
it would feel around press between the

742
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,539
ribs and be able to bite clean through

743
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,120
all that and take out a huge mouthful of

744
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:46,080
bone heart lungs Etc this was highly

745
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,059
useful for the animal very nutritious

746
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,760
meat a lot of it and if a carcass had

747
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,740
been there for a long time and it was

748
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,020
stripped by other sharks smaller

749
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,720
megalodons things of that nature Etc and

750
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:59,520
for all the blubber and the guts were

751
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,500
gone already you still let this fish

752
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,720
have a huge meal of breaking through

753
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,279
that protective rib cage and eating

754
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,919
everything in it see so that's how it

755
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,179
works but the thing is that that

756
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:11,940
suggests though that this only worked if

757
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,400
it was eating carrying

758
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,080
because a whale is not going to lie on

759
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,840
its side and say yeah big boy just fit

760
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:20,820
those teeth right in there there you go

761
00:29:24,370 --> 00:29:23,220
that's it right now but it has to be

762
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:24,380
dead already

763
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:28,380
which means that the larger fish which

764
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,360
were of course slower more cumbersome

765
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:33,299
were eating mostly carrion which was

766
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,980
provided for them by the smaller

767
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,480
megalodons which were still fast enough

768
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:38,700
to make kills the whales back then were

769
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,820
only 20 or 30 feet long anyway see so

770
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,159
it's kind of like a food pyramid and the

771
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,320
big sharks basically got their dinner

772
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,539
you know from the smaller the the

773
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,460
juveniles the sub-adults let's call it

774
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,620
you know and that's that's how things

775
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,539
worked out so the animal as they got

776
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,580
bigger they switched from Mostly hunting

777
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,559
to mostly Scavenging and people don't

778
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,940
like this because we're like oh it

779
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,860
wasn't it would swam at 70 miles an hour

780
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,600
it could jump up and take planes out of

781
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,520
the air and all this other stuff but

782
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,200
that's not the case physics doesn't work

783
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,299
like that so this theory is not popular

784
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,820
with some people it just it makes more

785
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:13,500
and more sense and I have so many

786
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,200
fossils to back up now it's insane and

787
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:18,840
not just whales dugongs all sorts of

788
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,200
every you'd be amazed so

789
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:24,899
anyway well it seems like you have a

790
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:27,779
bunch of fans in the chat room oh wait

791
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:29,880
wait you're gonna like this one now this

792
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:33,179
okay is a piece of a big fossilized

793
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,740
whale rip now this is interesting

794
00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:36,779
because hold on a second look at the

795
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,179
exact date for this okay so this is from

796
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,480
the Lee Creek mine okay uh phosphatic

797
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:44,700
myosin strata Lee Creek mine North

798
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:48,960
Carolina so this is from the Pongo River

799
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,260
Morrow and this rib is between 23 and

800
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:55,200
around 16 million years old okay now

801
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,760
there's two interesting things about it

802
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:58,740
the first is that this is from a very

803
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:00,059
large whale

804
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,460
and as most people know the great whales

805
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,200
start to evolve until about four and a

806
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:06,000
half million years ago but this came

807
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,980
from a big whale which means it could

808
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,559
have been Leviton you know the Leviathan

809
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,960
sperm whale which is the only big whale

810
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:14,460
that I'm aware of that that goes that

811
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:16,620
far back now what's interesting is that

812
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,039
this was actually scavenged by a

813
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,500
Megalodon you see that if you can see it

814
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:25,320
you see that big Groove it's so hard to

815
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:27,299
do this reverse that goes along the rib

816
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,539
like this okay so that is a tooth Groove

817
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,480
a very large megalon too now check this

818
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:35,460
out remember how I told you how these

819
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:37,620
customers cut it cut in when they got

820
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,299
you know pressed down a certain point so

821
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:41,220
if you see this and you slide this in

822
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,860
actually this would have turned this way

823
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:45,840
anterior like this and it got to a

824
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,419
certain point okay here you see how the

825
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:50,940
groove gets thicker and wider and deeper

826
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,919
there that's where the cusp started to

827
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:55,020
cut in but the thing is if we take this

828
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,820
tooth and we put it all the way here

829
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,640
this tooth does not cover it see and

830
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:01,799
there's a 6 since 2. so the tooth that

831
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,460
bit into this had to have be

832
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:07,679
maybe two inches longer than this

833
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:09,659
possibly an eight inch tooth I mean it

834
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:12,059
was a gigantic Megalodon that's what I'm

835
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:13,500
telling you that was feeding on this

836
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:16,140
carcass okay so but it shows you it

837
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,419
shows you how the cost was cut in like

838
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,340
that and it's fascinating because like I

839
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:22,080
said this may rib may have come from a

840
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,059
Louis Vuitton so

841
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,640
interesting stuff but anyway so what

842
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:28,440
else did you want to talk about that

843
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:31,100
really is yeah

844
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:35,100
did Megalodon have any Predators or was

845
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:37,140
it just basically the predator of the

846
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,860
day

847
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,960
well I mean that's you know obviously

848
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,820
nobody was back there but

849
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:43,260
um I would imagine there was competition

850
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:45,059
between them and that chubby tends as

851
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,620
sharks although when they got to a

852
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
certain size sharks tend to be size

853
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:50,640
oriented in terms of who gives way to

854
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,159
who or whom so it would be easy for a

855
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,860
50-foot megalon say to appropriate a

856
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:58,380
carcass from a 30-foot chubby tenses the

857
00:33:02,090 --> 00:32:59,640
shark is going to give way to a much

858
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:02,100
larger Predator you know I believe that

859
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,480
liviton probably had the same

860
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,760
relationship with Megalodon that the

861
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,200
great white shark has with the killer

862
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:09,179
whale today which means it was probably

863
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:10,919
occasionally preyed on by the whale

864
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,500
although it wasn't its main prey it's

865
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,880
just more like an opportunistic thing

866
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,799
where it sort of shark as an annoyance

867
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:19,019
or maybe they were like orcas orcas can

868
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:20,340
be a little on the sadistic side as

869
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,220
people know you know so I don't know

870
00:33:26,409 --> 00:33:25,200
that it heavily contributed to the uh

871
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:26,419
yeah

872
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:28,740
let's say because I mean white sharks

873
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:30,059
and orcas have existed together for

874
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:32,580
millions of years we know workers when

875
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:34,019
they want to they kill white sharks and

876
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:35,519
eat their livers Etc

877
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,899
so it was probably a similar

878
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,360
relationship but not like uh it wasn't a

879
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,279
predator-prey relationship let's say

880
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:42,480
does that make sense they had different

881
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:44,580
niches

882
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:46,440
yeah

883
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:50,399
okay so I do you have a documentary out

884
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,200
and I did get a chance to watch it and

885
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:54,779
it's fascinating so my question to you

886
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:58,500
is did Megalodon kill the whale

887
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:01,980
yeah I yeah I addressed that in the uh

888
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,740
documentary um if people haven't do you

889
00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:06,240
have a link that people can go to to see

890
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,849
yeah he should have it he can put it in

891
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:15,720
the chat room

892
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:18,359
I mean if they go on yeah I don't even

893
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,040
know the name of my name of my own

894
00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:21,599
channel these days what is it Max

895
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,419
Hawthorne's book trailers and videos I

896
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,760
think is the name of it yes but if you

897
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:28,560
go on there it's called mega shark or

898
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:31,379
Megalodon and what happened is this past

899
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,760
July uh we had a some adult humpback

900
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:38,520
whale carcass come ashore off Briar

901
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,700
Island Nova Scotia and friends of mine

902
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,619
are specialists in this and they took

903
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,359
all sorts of photos of the car because

904
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,419
at Sea and when it was on land Etc and

905
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:50,879
what was fascinating is

906
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,179
um there were at least two very very

907
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,220
large shark bites

908
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:58,500
on the carcass and you you guys will be

909
00:35:03,950 --> 00:34:59,940
able to see this in the video at length

910
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:03,960
uh the bytes are at least a yard across

911
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,359
uh they appear to be white shark bites

912
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,440
though

913
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,300
um which supports the notion that

914
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:11,400
several marine biologists in the

915
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,020
Discovery Channel have stated where they

916
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,440
feel that occasionally great whites

917
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,480
experience or suffer from gigantism

918
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,000
which is the known phenomena uh we see

919
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,859
it I mean I talked about it Monster

920
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,140
Industries I have caught beetles that

921
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:27,480
are supposed to be only an inch long and

922
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,920
I've caught them that were two and a

923
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,720
half inches long the same exact species

924
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:32,940
uh the American toad which is supposed

925
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,440
to get the only four inches or sometimes

926
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,960
goes to eight inches Etc so a white

927
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,820
shark that's normally topping out at 20

928
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,280
or so feet getting almost twice that

929
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,800
size is not an impossibility it's you

930
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,540
know fish indeterminate growth that type

931
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,180
of stuff but I think that it was a white

932
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:50,400
shark that did this um I crunched the

933
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,960
numbers or people seen the documentary

934
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:53,760
and the fish appears to have been at

935
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:56,820
least 32 feet in length which is a

936
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:59,339
hellaciously huge shark I mean you're

937
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,660
talking something the size of the fish

938
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,000
and Jaws three which you know people

939
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,040
like because you know that's something

940
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,440
for reference Etc you know it always

941
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,119
scare me as a kid when the guy got

942
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:10,560
swallowed alive and he didn't remember

943
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,060
you from the mouth getting chewed up and

944
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,440
everything like that you know kind of

945
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,260
freaked me out a little bit but uh

946
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:18,960
I mean that looks like the the whale was

947
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,540
initially injured by a ship strike from

948
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,119
a prop it has a huge wound that you can

949
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:26,400
see in the photos on its shoulder one

950
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,460
side and by the base of its neck one of

951
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:31,440
the big giant bites is right next to

952
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,940
that wound which of course is

953
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,280
interesting but it looks like the uh

954
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,500
this the whale was hurt and then a

955
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:39,540
really big shark came up and bidded on

956
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,880
the tail region to immobilize it and it

957
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:43,200
finished bleeding out or whatever and it

958
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:45,000
started to feed and it took a big bite

959
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,140
like I said on the coat of region in

960
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,820
front of the flukes there's a huge bite

961
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:49,560
right next to the ship strength of the

962
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:51,900
prop wound there and probably some on

963
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,820
the front of the head that we can't see

964
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:55,500
from the photos that we got

965
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,660
but uh you know we're able to Crunch the

966
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:59,400
numbers and everything it you could see

967
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,140
two gouges on the edges of the wounds

968
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:03,119
there's no doubt these are shark bites

969
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,380
and they are ginormous but Megalodon is

970
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:10,020
unlikely I mean Megalodon could have

971
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:10,859
caught

972
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:13,260
a humpback that was hurt like that so

973
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,420
that's you know obviously a possibility

974
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,720
but right the thing is that it takes

975
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:20,400
normally a breeding population of at

976
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,160
least 500 animals to sustain a

977
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,980
population genetically say whereas if

978
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,359
you have a great white shark that

979
00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:29,520
occasionally suffers from gigantism you

980
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:31,859
can have some freak that appears every

981
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,960
few years or something like that you

982
00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:36,000
know and it doesn't reproduce

983
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,619
necessarily a pass on the genes because

984
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:40,079
it's so big you know I mean if you're a

985
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:43,740
a 32 foot male white shark and you try

986
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:46,020
approaching an 18 foot female she's

987
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,280
going to be terrified and run for her

988
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,820
life see and the reverse of a male white

989
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,500
shark

990
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,780
tries approaching a female twice as long

991
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:56,820
as eight times his Mass he's gonna get

992
00:38:02,329 --> 00:37:59,880
eaten see so you know passing on the

993
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,339
genes is not likely with his gigantism

994
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:04,920
thing I mean in Monsters and Mysteries I

995
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:07,619
think I documented at least four or five

996
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,680
giant sharks the biggest of which

997
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,920
appears to is the one um Simon Pierce

998
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,560
photographed in 2017. he photographed a

999
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,140
whale shark off of the Galapagos it was

1000
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:21,240
a 40-foot whale shark the size of a big

1001
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,260
bus and it has a four foot bite scar on

1002
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,780
its uh rear total region the same region

1003
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:30,000
in fact where the humpback Was Bitten

1004
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:33,740
so four feet across that's even bigger

1005
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:36,599
yeah that's actually there's photos of

1006
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:39,000
his uh his whale shark documentary with

1007
00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:41,400
the bite and stuff but uh you know so

1008
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:44,760
he's his oh wow holds the record for the

1009
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,700
largest proven bite accident bite that

1010
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,619
I'm aware of but we had the beasts of

1011
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,880
Briar Island which was a white shark

1012
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:54,000
estimated 26 feet from that same region

1013
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:55,560
um there was the one I called the Perth

1014
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,000
County Colossus I don't know if you ever

1015
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,160
saw the discovery they had that super

1016
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,960
Predator special you know when they said

1017
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:02,579
it was a 35-foot white shark in the Kill

1018
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,569
I think so it probably was a while back

1019
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:11,280
I analyzed

1020
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:13,260
pygmy blue whale that had a big bite on

1021
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,640
its upper the Dunkle the oh anyway so

1022
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:18,960
that was in there a bunch of different

1023
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,820
like mega sharks that all the evidence

1024
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:23,220
has been collected photos Etc and stuff

1025
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,079
this didn't make the book obviously

1026
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,300
because this happened after that and uh

1027
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,240
there's another one that I had I I got

1028
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:31,800
um evidence of

1029
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:32,520
um

1030
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,020
oh gosh I'm trying to think where it was

1031
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,960
is a little smaller probably about 28

1032
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:39,119
feet long but also it was a white shark

1033
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,680
with a giant bite on it from a much

1034
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,180
bigger white shark

1035
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:44,579
so there's a lot there are big sharks

1036
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,540
out

1037
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:47,700
I mean big you would not want to be in

1038
00:39:57,970 --> 00:39:54,650
no no I would not trust me I'd like to

1039
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,980
so and I'll fish for him is this the

1040
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,480
have you have you so you've caught in

1041
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,160
the you've caught them alive you've

1042
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,680
caught sharks these large sharks I have

1043
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:06,960
caught many species of sharks makos

1044
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:09,060
hammerheads

1045
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:12,060
bull sharks I've never landed a white

1046
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,079
shark

1047
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:15,599
you know I did have released a world

1048
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,339
record blue shark and the world record

1049
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,900
nurse shark

1050
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:21,359
um unharmed uh that blue shark was 12

1051
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:22,740
feet long and that way like they said

1052
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,320
730 pounds you know which is you know a

1053
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,420
nice tussle but that's small potatoes

1054
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:29,940
compared to I mean this shark from Briar

1055
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,320
Island that we're talking about mostly

1056
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,880
eight or ten tons

1057
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:34,920
you know that's not a small fit you

1058
00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:36,780
ain't gonna stop that on a rod and reel

1059
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:40,099
not not uh do you just

1060
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:42,900
do you just fish for fun or do you tag

1061
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,540
them and release them oh wow you see

1062
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:48,060
that right there that is the one I was

1063
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,560
telling you about

1064
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,300
um now they were initially saying her

1065
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:54,240
name is seabatch that great white okay I

1066
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:55,560
spoke to the guy who did all the photos

1067
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:58,440
and stuff and they put that in like I

1068
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,839
forget what some UK paper and they were

1069
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,880
claiming she was 15 feet long but that's

1070
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:04,800
an exaggeration she's only actually

1071
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,140
around 11 feet long I guess they thought

1072
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,359
that would but still that bite is about

1073
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:12,000
30 inches across

1074
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,780
which is yeah that's pretty big yeah and

1075
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:17,460
you could see individual two notches on

1076
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,619
there Etc it's another shark bite I have

1077
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,839
all the photos not just this stuff from

1078
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:23,579
the original photographer including

1079
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,260
showing on the belly region where the

1080
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:27,300
you know the rake marks are and the

1081
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:29,220
lower jaw teeth Etc but yeah that's

1082
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:30,839
evidence of another mega shark right

1083
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:31,560
there

1084
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:34,859
um but to answer your question I fish uh

1085
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:38,280
I guess you'd say for fun for the

1086
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,980
discovery you know it's like uh like the

1087
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,720
Forrest Gump saying you know life is

1088
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,640
like a bunch of chocolates well fishing

1089
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,500
is the same way you can drop your line

1090
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:47,760
on there you never know what you're

1091
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:48,780
gonna get

1092
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:54,180
know so but I release like 99 of the

1093
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,280
fish I catch I'm not into killing

1094
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:57,660
animals or anything like that you know

1095
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,220
we catch a fish even something big

1096
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,200
that's like not doing well like it's

1097
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:03,420
exhausted will actually run it beside

1098
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,640
the boat like hold it in the water and

1099
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,440
move the boat slowly so the water goes

1100
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,300
through its gills and resuscitate the

1101
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,220
fish so that it can be released safely

1102
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,859
you know and not fall at the bottom die

1103
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:15,599
or whatever so a little hairy when

1104
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,859
you're dealing with sharks and stuff you

1105
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:18,000
know they're not exactly the friendliest

1106
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:21,660
Critters but yeah I can imagine trying

1107
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:23,820
to release them they're not too happy

1108
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,270
I'm sorry guys

1109
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:31,500
oh no go ahead go ahead

1110
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,720
yeah the cap my Charter Captain they had

1111
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,800
a PIN to the side of the boat while

1112
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:35,820
they're taking the hook out and he was

1113
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,320
like hey do you want to touch it I'm

1114
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:38,760
like sure he was watching teeth I'm like

1115
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:41,339
nah you ain't kidding it was a like just

1116
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,900
a seven foot blue shark you know about

1117
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,579
this maybe you know your side just like

1118
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:46,560
that in terms of mass or whatever but it

1119
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:49,740
felt like Stone

1120
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,460
covered with an inch of tire rubber and

1121
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:56,240
sandpaper on top I mean that

1122
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,980
you know it was really something you

1123
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,540
know these like these experiences are

1124
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:02,220
great as an author in terms of you know

1125
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,900
bringing these things to life and and

1126
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:05,400
your books and stuff like that you know

1127
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,859
but I'm sorry I interrupted you oh no

1128
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,500
that's fine that that's amazing I in a

1129
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,940
way I would love to do something like

1130
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:13,200
that but another way I would be

1131
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,940
terrified because I'd be afraid it would

1132
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,000
whip around and just just grab me so

1133
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,440
that's what you get you got to get

1134
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:22,020
yourself a good Charter guy crew that

1135
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:23,220
knows what they're doing and you know

1136
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,780
make sure you're gonna stay safe and if

1137
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,099
you're ever gonna go down to Florida or

1138
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:28,079
Jersey I know people I can introduce you

1139
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,220
okay okay that sounds great so is this

1140
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:34,500
are we talking about the uh the

1141
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:36,900
Galapagos giant is that the one we're

1142
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,660
talking about that was the that's not

1143
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:41,520
the one in the documentary that is the

1144
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:44,099
one that has like the the biggest bite

1145
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,060
I've ever seen okay now to be fair

1146
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,640
in the interest of clarity

1147
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:52,079
10 years ago or something like that

1148
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,319
somebody sent me a photo

1149
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,940
um and I've never been able to use it

1150
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:00,000
because I don't know who sent it to me

1151
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:02,280
you know or anything like that so I

1152
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,380
wouldn't have permission copyright wise

1153
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,140
but they sent me a photo of uh humpback

1154
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:09,540
whale it's flukes coming up out of the

1155
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,740
water and it has an enormous bite out of

1156
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:15,660
one fluke like you could see it it's

1157
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:18,359
like individual two notches white

1158
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,480
shredded flesh Etc and you can't say how

1159
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,520
big the shark was it that is because you

1160
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,680
don't know is this a calf is it an adult

1161
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,780
you know it's impossible to gauge that

1162
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,000
type of stuff and if it was an adult the

1163
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,160
bite would be gigantic I mean like five

1164
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,319
feet across at least maybe six you know

1165
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,660
but yeah the Galapagos giant which is a

1166
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:38,160
monitor I slapped on it in Monsters

1167
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,859
Mysteries is the uh name I gave to this

1168
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,300
shark that attacked that big whale shark

1169
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:43,680
in the Galapagos

1170
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:47,099
and that's Simon's baby and I would I I

1171
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:49,560
you gotta respect that man because he

1172
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,960
swims with whale sharks and gives them

1173
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:53,880
sonograms like pregnant whale sharks

1174
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,819
okay but to be in the water oh my gosh

1175
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,700
she's a whale shark with a bite this big

1176
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,220
taken out of it I would be looking

1177
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:05,099
around going I wonder what did that and

1178
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,839
if it's around here anywhere because

1179
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,460
you're in a swimming you know you're in

1180
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:11,760
scuba gear and you're bite-sized at that

1181
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,460
point you know

1182
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:15,839
just think about it you know he's

1183
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,560
amazing I couldn't do it yeah right oh

1184
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:22,140
my gosh that's

1185
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,819
oh wow

1186
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,220
yeah that was on a long line I think you

1187
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,800
can see the heavy Cable in its mouth and

1188
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,420
it was exhausted and probably a white

1189
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:33,599
shark came up and made a meal out of it

1190
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:38,099
so oh my gosh that's amazing that really

1191
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:40,200
is

1192
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:43,319
um so the Megalodon was about 60 feet

1193
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,760
right give or take um

1194
00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:49,380
go ahead

1195
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:51,500
no I did some number crunching

1196
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,660
on on Megalodon size and yeah I would

1197
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,400
say the shark was in at least the upper

1198
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,900
50s and stuff

1199
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:59,339
um you know you see people coming out

1200
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,540
with different like theories and

1201
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,400
formulas and all this stuff but there

1202
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,660
was a piece I did like an interview

1203
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,420
about Megalodon moms and whether they

1204
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,220
lived in cold or warm water and all this

1205
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,740
stuff and uh I was able to do the number

1206
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:13,920
crunching and I discovered that we have

1207
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,500
not discovered the biggest megalon teeth

1208
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,420
that have been out there

1209
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,520
like in terms of the the big teeth like

1210
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,040
this like I told you before this is a

1211
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,680
principal tooth you know okay

1212
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:28,020
right here dead center biggest tooth in

1213
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,079
the jaw basically okay but if you pull

1214
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,900
up one of those megalon Jaws you had

1215
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:40,010
let's see uh that one's not very

1216
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,579
accurate actually

1217
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:43,859
yeah that's not gonna work see if you

1218
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:47,099
see the teeth on the on the uh edges of

1219
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,380
the jaw here like the laterals and the

1220
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,859
posterior teeth the teeth get smaller

1221
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:55,020
as they go around when the teeth have

1222
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,940
they use teeth that are all big it makes

1223
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:58,260
the jaw look twice as big as it's

1224
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,940
supposed to be and that's not how it

1225
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,960
works

1226
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,119
um I mean I could send you like a jaw to

1227
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,700
show you accurately but if if you had

1228
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,960
time to slap it in there but you guys

1229
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,160
probably don't because you got to load

1230
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,680
it and stuff but if you go on like um

1231
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,780
well the point is is so the teeth start

1232
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,280
all big and then they get smaller as

1233
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:16,440
they go towards the joint okay where the

1234
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,660
Jaws meet up and low okay so the like I

1235
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,480
have a virtual Museum of fossils and

1236
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,700
stuff and now like it used to be very

1237
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,520
difficult to Crunch maximum two size in

1238
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:31,680
a specimen based on individual teeth

1239
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:34,020
because there weren't complete sets you

1240
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:35,819
know what I mean now there are several

1241
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:37,980
complete sets of teeth out there so I

1242
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,400
was able to do that and so you see like

1243
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:44,160
um okay let me just pull up a thing here

1244
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:46,440
so I'm going to show you a fossil tooth

1245
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,240
okay and this is a lower right jaw tooth

1246
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:54,060
it's either number nine or number 10.

1247
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,480
okay and that's up for this step okay so

1248
00:48:03,530 --> 00:47:59,119
the number nine

1249
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,540
tooth in the larger jaw complete jaw out

1250
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:05,640
there which includes teeth pushing six

1251
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,060
inches the number nine tooth would be 74

1252
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,180
millimeters in slant height which is a

1253
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:14,520
little less than three inches this tooth

1254
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,819
is over four inches this way so this

1255
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,339
shows you that this shark this exact

1256
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:22,260
tooth in the jaw which is one of the

1257
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:25,740
tinier teeth okay was at least a third

1258
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,920
larger than that specimen so this this

1259
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:30,780
shark its biggest heat were over eight

1260
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:33,540
inches in length and that's a fact okay

1261
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:35,819
that's if it's a number nine if it was

1262
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:37,140
number ten

1263
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,700
I don't even want to Crunch the numbers

1264
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,880
okay because then you find yourself in

1265
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,220
Crazy territory you know it's one thing

1266
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,260
to say that this tooth this shark's

1267
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,660
largest teeth were eight and a half

1268
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,920
inches or eight and a quarter inches

1269
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,839
long that's gigantic it's bigger than

1270
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:54,000
any known specimen but if this was a

1271
00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:55,260
number 10 tooth which would be even

1272
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,500
smaller and I scaled up it would be

1273
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,579
insanely big and I don't even want to go

1274
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:02,160
there okay so is it a number nine is it

1275
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,490
from the same area mother and baby

1276
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:15,440
okay

1277
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,760
he's pretty cute oh yeah yeah teeny tiny

1278
00:49:25,089 --> 00:49:22,560
little thing but it's the exact same

1279
00:49:27,069 --> 00:49:25,099
tooth in the jaw

1280
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,079
anyway

1281
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,760
now where if I wanted to find a

1282
00:49:40,930 --> 00:49:32,040
Megalodon tooth where would I find where

1283
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,130
I mean you can go and go all sorts of

1284
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,940
places there yeah a lot of places are

1285
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,740
getting shut down and stuff

1286
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,599
um I mean if you want to go to the Lee

1287
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:51,240
Creek mine you can try that uh you could

1288
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,260
try the Morgan River you can try uh the

1289
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,420
Cooper River is another spot I mean

1290
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:59,339
there's a lot of places it's all areas

1291
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,260
where like in Florida stuff that used to

1292
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,900
be underwater and those Rivers were

1293
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,880
still there but obviously they were like

1294
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:09,119
deeper and the large females would come

1295
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:12,440
in there to birth their pups I'd say and

1296
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,240
a lot of times you find the baby teeth

1297
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:17,280
because when they hatched in their

1298
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,079
nurseries or a hatched or gave birth and

1299
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,940
were in their nurseries they would stay

1300
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:23,099
there it appears in the shallows where

1301
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,140
we're safe until they were big enough to

1302
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:27,060
go out into the Open Sea like goliath

1303
00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:29,940
grouper there was a huge fish that I've

1304
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:32,900
caught I've caught 400 Pounders but um

1305
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:36,060
they'll stay in the mangroves you know

1306
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:37,560
they're tiny little things until they

1307
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,819
get a certain point maybe they're three

1308
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,380
feet long then they'll go out and move

1309
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:42,240
out to reefs and stuff like that because

1310
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:44,520
there are predators so in Megalodon's

1311
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:46,260
day the babies were like I guess around

1312
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:47,700
six and a half seven people long when

1313
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:49,740
they were born it was not safe to go out

1314
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:52,200
in the open sea you had other Mega Lawns

1315
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,880
that would eat them you had chubby tents

1316
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,220
of sharks that would eat them you had

1317
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,559
um God there's giant prehistoric makos

1318
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,359
ancestors are the great whites that

1319
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,400
would eat them there they even had these

1320
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,500
uh weasel sharks called

1321
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,200
um oh my gosh I just hit a T-Zone and I

1322
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,640
can't think of the name right now that's

1323
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:10,079
what happens when you have covet and too

1324
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:12,180
much cold medicine but uh you know they

1325
00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:13,740
even had some sharks like it looks like

1326
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:14,839
they wouldn't

1327
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,059
you know yeah but so it was a dangerous

1328
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,440
ocean out there I mean if you've got 25

1329
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,020
foot mako sharks out there and you're a

1330
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,839
seven foot megalon your lunch see so the

1331
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:26,220
pups would stay in the nursery until

1332
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:27,480
they got big enough to go out in the

1333
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,640
open sea and fend for themselves so

1334
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,200
that's why you have different teeth and

1335
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:33,000
different sizes of different places but

1336
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,440
the bigger teeth are usually the

1337
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,480
spawning females that would come into

1338
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:38,160
the shallows to give birth and then go

1339
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:39,900
back out to sea

1340
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,260
so I got some adorable baby makeups I

1341
00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:46,319
got one it's like a gem so perfect I

1342
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:53,089
oh wow I bet that's amazing I really do

1343
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:55,140
I'm jealous because I'm I'm interested

1344
00:51:59,089 --> 00:51:57,240
in that is is there a complete skeleton

1345
00:52:02,089 --> 00:51:59,099
somewhere of a megalodon or we haven't

1346
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:02,099
found that yet no there's the skeletons

1347
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,720
are made of cartilage so there's some

1348
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,520
vertebrae that are

1349
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:07,500
um you know you some that'll be

1350
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,240
discovered

1351
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,640
um but I believe in I think it's in

1352
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,380
Zurich I think they have like a partial

1353
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,420
skull or something like that you know

1354
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,400
not from an adult or anything like that

1355
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,440
I mean uh but uh you know if you ever

1356
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,480
want to get your hands on stuff look go

1357
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,119
to Fossil Shack

1358
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,980
fossilshack.com all one word and you

1359
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:27,900
talk to Seth and you tell them you know

1360
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:30,300
me and he'll take care of you Seth okay

1361
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:34,200
he he provides full Mosasaur skeletons

1362
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,780
for museums I mean like the size of a

1363
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,420
bus you name it he has it so you know

1364
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:41,760
whatever you possibly wanted and he'll

1365
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:43,140
he'll take good care of you he's a great

1366
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:45,000
guy

1367
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,720
okay sounds great so my I have I think a

1368
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,920
couple more questions and we're going to

1369
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:52,020
take some audience questions

1370
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,339
um so

1371
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:55,680
we talked about Megalodon being around I

1372
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:58,859
guess 50 feet or so and then the

1373
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:02,220
Galapagos giant was about 40 to 42 feet

1374
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,579
right around it yeah that's the of going

1375
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:08,280
by the formulas I have yeah Simon said

1376
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,380
the bite was about four feet across so I

1377
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:11,520
think that shark would probably have

1378
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:20,270
antique sharks yeah with these gigantic

1379
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,220
sharks is there ever a possibility for a

1380
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,980
Megalodon a Megalodon size shark to be

1381
00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:31,609
oh I mean look your average Megalodon

1382
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:33,480
adult I think they said was only 35 feet

1383
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:34,680
long

1384
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,300
you got to think of it like relative to

1385
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:38,460
the great white you know I mean we know

1386
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,920
that white sharks could get into the low

1387
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:42,960
20 feet I've proved that they get bigger

1388
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,420
than that but these may be gigantism

1389
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,720
incidents again but so let's say that we

1390
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:50,400
know your average adult white shark is

1391
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,339
what 16 feet long so if you scale it up

1392
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:55,680
the average Megalodon was 35 feet long

1393
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,780
you know that's a decent sized fish so

1394
00:54:03,049 --> 00:53:59,640
if we had a white shark that was 40 or

1395
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,059
42 feet gigantism or not you know that's

1396
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,400
still on the size range you know are we

1397
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:07,500
going to get something the size of you

1398
00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:09,180
know something that was you know feeding

1399
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:10,460
on whales

1400
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,040
3.6 million years ago or longer doubtful

1401
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,920
but then you know you never know once

1402
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,900
the human race gets out of the way maybe

1403
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:20,640
they'll come back

1404
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,500
or the white shark will evolve into

1405
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,440
something like that it'll split off you

1406
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:26,880
know we'll have like white sharks and

1407
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:28,260
then we'll have a larger version that's

1408
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:29,880
more of a scavenger type thing I don't

1409
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:31,079
know

1410
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:35,220
much of the ocean

1411
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,480
that hasn't been explored as well so you

1412
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:41,640
don't know what's really down there too

1413
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:43,980
if you think about it so that's another

1414
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:45,000
thing

1415
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,220
at least it's in my opinion so and I do

1416
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:49,260
have some questions for you are you okay

1417
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:50,760
with taking those

1418
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,319
Bring It On okay so so Vincent wants to

1419
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:57,960
know what do you think the blimp was

1420
00:55:03,230 --> 00:54:59,880
the bloop

1421
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:03,240
um the blue yeah

1422
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:07,740
dismissed as being an iceberg uh I think

1423
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:10,800
dragging along the bottom I listened to

1424
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,220
it at normal speed and it doesn't really

1425
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,800
sound organic to me it's like when they

1426
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,380
speed it up like 16 times it does but

1427
00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:21,000
there is another sound out there I think

1428
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:23,000
it's called Julia or something like that

1429
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:26,760
and I I'm not this isn't life

1430
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:29,400
in an area of expertise now but I've

1431
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,619
read that the sound seems to coincide

1432
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:33,180
like every spring or something like that

1433
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,339
with this region where they keep seeing

1434
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,920
this shadowy form moving through the

1435
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,720
water from the same time of year that

1436
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:41,520
supposedly bigger than the Empire State

1437
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:42,359
Building

1438
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,660
that's what they say okay so I don't

1439
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,240
know what that could possibly be

1440
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,119
Etc but uh you know

1441
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:52,920
that's but I don't think that I think

1442
00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:54,119
the bloop has been pretty much

1443
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:57,300
discredited the Julia thing ah look Olaf

1444
00:56:02,450 --> 00:55:59,460
wants to know on a 15 million year old

1445
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:04,190
should I introduce him to the audience

1446
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,069
yeah

1447
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:15,480
Grump Max did you see Max get mauled by

1448
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,540
his Siberian Forest cat on the air that

1449
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:21,059
was great

1450
00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:24,900
he's tired and sleepy like me

1451
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:26,599
all right

1452
00:56:32,290 --> 00:56:29,940
so this is one of the behemoths that

1453
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:32,300
sleeps on my desk as I write

1454
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,359
this is Olaf he is a Siberian Forest cat

1455
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,359
and he's a big beefy boy as you can see

1456
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:42,960
like a cow but anyway and

1457
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,040
ouch thank you but uh sorry buddy sorry

1458
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,319
about that he hates being thrust into

1459
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:52,500
the Limelight and stuff but um yeah I

1460
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:54,920
have these two Knuckles

1461
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,780
yes and he's they're very lovable I mean

1462
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,760
they're so playful and so human I mean

1463
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,859
they have emotions it's like the other

1464
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,960
day like mace his brother was on the

1465
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:06,119
island eating and he picked that he was

1466
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:08,520
like stuffed and then like he was he lay

1467
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,900
on his side he was like sitting there

1468
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,760
like this like uh and I took the food

1469
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:13,800
and I pushed it close to him and you

1470
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:15,480
know how like when a person goes like a

1471
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,680
buffet and it eats them much they're

1472
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:18,960
gonna throw up and you have that like he

1473
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,980
looked at it like this thing was like

1474
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,079
yeah and he like just pushed it away

1475
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,420
like that like get that away from me and

1476
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,119
it was such a human gesture hilarious

1477
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,420
yeah he's like oh and he loved it you

1478
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:32,400
know it's his favorite meal but enough

1479
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:35,220
is enough you know so but he was so

1480
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,420
stuffed

1481
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:39,180
my hair so

1482
00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:43,200
oh he's your writing partner and my

1483
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,940
editor when he tells me it's time to

1484
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,200
take a break he'll just lay on the

1485
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,540
keyboard and I can't write

1486
00:57:52,089 --> 00:57:50,940
there you go sometimes you need someone

1487
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,099
like that

1488
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:54,780
so Deepak would like to know what your

1489
00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:57,660
opinion of mermaids are

1490
00:58:06,349 --> 00:57:59,579
I never dated one so what do you think

1491
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:08,089
you know I would if I was single but uh

1492
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:12,180
I did have a I met him named reggae in

1493
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:13,980
Jamaica like two years ago she was

1494
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,500
pretty Sleek in all that but that fish

1495
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,240
breath was just not working for me and

1496
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,280
my wife was not happy about it so you

1497
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:22,920
know we had to break it off but I I know

1498
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,020
nothing about mermaids except that

1499
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:27,180
special on Discovery which really pissed

1500
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:29,579
me off because you know it was like a

1501
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:32,099
total setup and a fake in my opinion you

1502
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,020
know it annoyed everybody I I you know I

1503
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,760
felt like an idiot like feeding into it

1504
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:37,200
and everything

1505
00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:39,000
yeah

1506
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,559
I think it would be great if they

1507
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:46,140
existed but you know I have you know

1508
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,549
right Vincent wants to know uh ever hear

1509
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:54,660
anything weird like mermaids or

1510
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:57,540
underwater UFOs

1511
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,380
I have seen that special

1512
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:03,200
um what's it called

1513
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:05,339
disclosure I think is the name of it

1514
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,579
it's a documentary about a gentleman who

1515
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:10,440
uh was involved with the military and

1516
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,220
UFO technology and according to that and

1517
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:16,680
I actually purchased it to watch it

1518
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:19,859
um he claims that they have reverse

1519
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:23,280
engineered UFO Tech to the point that we

1520
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:27,119
the U.S now have craft that can fly at

1521
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,299
24 000 miles an hour in the air and by

1522
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:32,220
creating using the technology to create

1523
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,339
like a a bubble around a craft are able

1524
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,680
to go underwater at 500 miles an hour

1525
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,140
which would make sense I mean the Cheval

1526
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:42,059
Torpedoes the Russians developed did

1527
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:43,319
that and they they shoot through the

1528
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,180
water rocket propelled to 300 miles an

1529
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:47,400
hour so I guess it's possible but you

1530
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:54,470
that's more than I know so

1531
01:00:03,069 --> 00:59:58,559
so is that just what I read go ahead

1532
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:03,079
oh no I'm good just any questions

1533
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:09,049
I didn't hear you okay oh no I was

1534
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:10,440
asking if anyone else

1535
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:18,049
what are your thoughts on Atlantis

1536
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:19,079
um

1537
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,200
the uh I mean I know

1538
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:24,720
just what most people do that it was

1539
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:26,700
supposed you know supposedly thousands

1540
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,859
of years ago in advanced technology that

1541
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,900
sank beneath the waves

1542
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:32,280
um I don't know if they've ever

1543
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,619
discovered any concrete evidence of it

1544
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,720
but I think it's a fascinating notion

1545
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,119
I've seen uh

1546
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:41,280
stuff reported like people have found

1547
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:46,020
like supposedly like in Coal like gears

1548
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:47,839
um and things like that that go back

1549
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,000
millions and millions of years so I mean

1550
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:52,799
maybe there was an advanced civilization

1551
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,930
yeah isn't there like a stairway in the

1552
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,559
Bahamas that they say it's like The

1553
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:03,599
Stairway to Atlantis or something like

1554
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,680
that

1555
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:06,480
I think

1556
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,520
I've been to the Bahamas but I never you

1557
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,319
know you know I've never saw anything

1558
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:14,690
okay yeah I'm not sure if it is the

1559
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:16,740
Bahamas or not I know it's it's one of

1560
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:18,540
those islands

1561
01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:22,440
any humanoid Marine Cryptids hi dizzy

1562
01:01:27,049 --> 01:01:25,079
um the only thing I've ever seen that

1563
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,059
would be encrypted and related to the

1564
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:29,460
water was that Bigfoot swimming Bigfoot

1565
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:33,480
incident that we talked about earlier so

1566
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,980
I'm sorry I can't be of more help with

1567
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,900
that

1568
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:39,180
no

1569
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:42,960
so is there anyone else

1570
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,870
are you okay

1571
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:50,640
oh yeah you know old age coveted cat

1572
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,000
hair you know it all catches up with you

1573
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:55,760
right

1574
01:02:01,010 --> 01:02:00,119
I feel that trust me so is there okay I

1575
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:01,020
want to make sure that wasn't the

1576
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,510
what was that

1577
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:10,849
oh what that was

1578
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:13,200
that shot me I don't know what that was

1579
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:16,260
um is there is there anything else that

1580
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:20,280
you would like to talk about or promote

1581
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,500
promote I mean if people are interested

1582
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:25,799
first off um in terms of my stuff the uh

1583
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:28,260
the the Mega Shark video is definitely

1584
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,280
worth it because you're going to see

1585
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:30,720
giant bites like you wouldn't believe

1586
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:35,700
that's on my YouTube uh Channel which is

1587
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:38,220
called Max Hawthorne's book trailers and

1588
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:41,460
videos shows you I I I'm so brain dead I

1589
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,420
don't even know the name of my own

1590
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:43,680
channel

1591
01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:47,460
um but uh yeah if anybody wants to check

1592
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,220
out the books first off uh you can go to

1593
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:52,880
my website my author site is either

1594
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:55,380
maxhawthorne.com make sure there's an e

1595
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:58,440
on the end or cronusrising.com with a K

1596
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:01,740
and there is a free books page on there

1597
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,540
where you can get downloads and stuff

1598
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:05,220
like that to check out

1599
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,420
um all the books you know different

1600
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,359
formats Etc are available uh there's a

1601
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Blog there's the Paleo gallery that you

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01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:13,559
can take a tour of all sorts of stuff

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01:03:17,450 --> 01:03:15,720
it's a pretty cool site has a lot of

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01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:17,460
stuff on there and everything and all my

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01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:19,079
all my stuff is available through Amazon

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01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:21,660
even the music

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01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,119
and it's on Kindle unlimited as well

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right uh most of the stuff yeah you

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01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,980
could read online okay yeah which is

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01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:30,540
great oh if you're gonna get monsters

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01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,000
and remixes I definitely recommend the

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01:03:37,010 --> 01:03:35,460
Kindle version because all the

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01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:37,020
references

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like the links are live so you can you

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01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:41,460
know if you want to corroborate or check

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01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,619
you know you know information provided

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you just click on a boom on the internet

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01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:46,740
it'll take you right there so you don't

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01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:48,900
have to go you know copying URLs and

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01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:50,700
typing and stuff like that it really

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01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:52,740
makes your life easy for that type of

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01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:55,319
stuff and that's a good book I mean in

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01:04:00,410 --> 01:03:58,200
there I got to interview people like

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01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:00,420
that have had crypted encounters nobody

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01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:02,579
even knows they're still alive I spoke

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01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:04,500
to Rodney Ross at length the sole

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01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:07,500
survivor of the South Side sea serpent I

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01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:09,480
mean the sea monster from 1976 that

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01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:12,059
attacked three different boats over five

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01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,680
days and tried to kill and eat people

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01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,960
and he was right there to stay almost

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01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:17,760
ate the back of his boat with him and

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01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:20,280
his dad on it I I got all the dirt all

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01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,680
the details I I mean I found

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01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,839
discrepancies with past versions of the

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01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:26,220
stories and stuff like that I

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01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:27,240
interviewed

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um

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01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:31,559
oh what's his name uh Gary LaMotta who

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01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:33,540
saw that 38-foot Turtle back in like

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01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:36,660
1969 his friend Earl is still with us

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01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,339
and I interviewed Earl who was there and

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01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:40,559
saw this monstrous Turtle I mean great

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01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:43,559
stuff we investigated Mega squids

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01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,200
giant octopi I got a witness they saw an

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01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:48,240
octopus down in Florida back in I think

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01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,440
it was 2014 or 2013 an octopus that they

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01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:54,900
estimated was 80 or 90 feet long I mean

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01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,299
the list goes oh my gosh the Carnival

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01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,760
Cruise monster is in there all sorts of

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01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:01,440
stuff it's it's a really cool book and

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01:05:05,870 --> 01:05:03,660
everything is very factual you know I

1653
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,880
try not to be I'm not preachy oh my God

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01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:08,160
I present the information you know I

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01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,960
give people what I think are

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01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:11,520
possibilities and then people get to

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01:05:15,789 --> 01:05:14,339
draw their own you know opinions or make

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01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,799
their own judgment I guess you'd say

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01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:18,059
what is your favorite story out of there

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01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:20,339
or a favorite account

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01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:23,220
honestly that giant turtle is probably

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01:05:28,370 --> 01:05:25,500
my favorite especially because I got to

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01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:28,380
talk to Earl at length because I I said

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01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:30,180
to him like how do you know how big the

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01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:32,160
turtle was and he said well we were we

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01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:34,380
had our two boats you know X number feet

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01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:36,299
apart and this Turtle which was almost

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01:05:42,289 --> 01:05:39,540
white like pale gray was lying on a uh

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01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:42,299
like an a rock outcropping like an

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01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:45,059
uprise like maybe 20 or 30 feet below

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01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:47,579
them and he said the turtle was as big

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01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:51,260
as my boat and my boat is 38 feet long

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01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,579
and I said were you a little nervous he

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01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:56,220
goes oh I was quite scared I was afraid

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01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,780
he was going to get mad and come up and

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01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,760
capsize us let me tell you this thing

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01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,619
was big you know but it was just really

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01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:04,079
it's just so cool to talk to somebody

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01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:07,020
who's been right there and such a rare

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01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:09,720
occurrence and there is footage of this

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01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,819
giant turtle I mean it's old Subway

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01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,400
footage yeah I took Stills they're in

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01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,440
Monsters memory Mysteries I got um

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01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:18,780
Gary's widow's permission and I enhanced

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01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,180
them and you can see this is a giant

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01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,559
turtle it's looking right at the camera

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01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,940
it stuck its head up out of the water

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01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:26,160
you could see the eyes the bags under

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01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,640
the eyes the beak the folds of flesh on

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01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,200
the throat all sorts of stuff like that

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01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:33,900
it's really weird oh my gosh how old is

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01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:35,819
it supposed to be

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01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:39,059
or how old was the turtle yeah how do

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01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:40,920
you think it was V I mean to be Turtles

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01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:46,490
tortoises could be well

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01:06:52,130 --> 01:06:49,980
years old but I mean this was in 1969 I

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01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:52,140
think and this was an adult animal it

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01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,880
was another one spotted a short time

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01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,400
after in that same area I had I found

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01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:58,140
sightings of these Turtles all over the

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01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:59,819
place going back sometimes 100 or 200

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01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:01,140
years

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01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:04,920
oh wow yeah even one

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01:07:08,690 --> 01:07:07,319
sorry oh go ahead no go ahead it's okay

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01:07:14,589 --> 01:07:08,700
what it looks like looks like the turtle

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01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:16,849
you know Turtle but you're not that

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01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:18,420
doesn't mean killer whales can't get you

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01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,240
you know yeah and like you said earlier

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01:07:25,609 --> 01:07:23,579
orcas they're very they I mean they seem

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01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:25,619
nice but they're very mean at times

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01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:28,020
I mean it I mean I you know you see like

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01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,299
one like SWAT of porpoise and send it

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01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,400
like or seal and send it 200 feet flying

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01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:34,440
through the air you know

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01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:36,420
it seems like they're like hey let's

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01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,760
play ball who's up you know like like

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01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:40,079
that kind of stuff

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01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:41,280
yeah

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01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,720
oh my God I got a muscle cramp ow

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01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:48,960
old age it's not even creeping up it's

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01:07:55,849 --> 01:07:52,319
like hey I'm here you know

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01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,859
trust me I understand that so if you

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01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:58,140
have if you have anything else that you

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01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,780
want to talk about or add or any of your

1725
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:03,059
other books that you want to promote

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01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:04,500
you can

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01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:09,119
yeah no I'm just gonna put some ice on

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01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:10,079
this or something

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01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:11,880
um I mean if people are you know you

1730
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:14,039
could go like I'm on Facebook there's a

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01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:15,539
group called monsters and Read Mysteries

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01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:17,940
and people are welcome to join there we

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01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,219
post lots of stuff you know for marine

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01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:21,839
Cryptids and other things like that

1735
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,020
terrestrial Stuff Etc of interest and uh

1736
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,359
it's you know that that's just it I mean

1737
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:30,239
I'm me I'm easy to find you know people

1738
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:31,980
like the books I'm happy to have more

1739
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:40,130
right well I appreciate you coming on I

1740
01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:41,940
appreciate you putting up with me and

1741
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:44,160
staying through the entire show Even

1742
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,480
though you're sick trust me I understand

1743
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,880
how bad covet is so I want to thank you

1744
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:50,100
so much again Max I appreciate it

1745
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,960
Bernadette it was my privilege and my

1746
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:53,580
pleasure you got some great people great

1747
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:01,130
we are very lucky

1748
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,060
there I I adore them all so they're

1749
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:05,040
wonderful so and I want to thank you

1750
01:09:10,090 --> 01:09:06,540
again and you have a good night thank

1751
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:10,100
you Max thanks take care bye

1752
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:12,839
all right everyone thank you so much for

1753
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:14,940
being here and sticking with us I truly

1754
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,920
appreciate it and again I want to thank

1755
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:19,920
Max Hawthorne for being here he was an

1756
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,719
amazing guest I I totally enjoyed

1757
01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:24,060
speaking with him

1758
01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:26,339
um next week I am going to have Lily

1759
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,640
Nova as my guest and Wednesday Lon will

1760
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:31,739
be doing another report show followed by

1761
01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:34,859
Vincent and then next week long will be

1762
01:09:39,169 --> 01:09:36,839
back at his regular time slot and I will

1763
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:39,179
be following him again with Lily Nova so

1764
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:40,620
thank you guys again and have a good

1765
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:42,290
night bye